A LOST WORLD

 
 
 
A lost world
A LOST WORLD

John starts talking about traditionalism and progressivism | Lilou says some really profound things | We learn why shit makes you stronger

John: There is no way going back to the country we grew up in I think. That is forever gone, isn’t it? But if we try to move on and think of what Europe could be like in the future, what do you see?

Lilou: What is it you want to get back from when we grew up, exactly, cause if it’s about feeling secure I don’t think it’s impossible at all?

John: I agree, but that is not what I meant. Not being robbed, thrown to jail for speaking the truth et cetera, those things can be fixed, I think so too. No, what I was thinking was that many people want “the old Sweden” restored in some way, while I was thinking, what kind of new popular culture, fashion, history, pretty much everything, can you see in the future?

Lilou: Why would anyone want to restore the old instead of taking inspiration from it and creating something new.

John: I totally agree, but there are plenty of people who seem to disagree and instead of being Progressive like us look backwards and try to restore some golden age instead. What are your predictions when it comes to for example the mix of old and new, say, traditions? Will Christmas change?

Lilou: It seems overall through the world there is a huge wave of traditionalism rising.

John: Yeah but how will it look? I mean will Christmas and Ramadan merge to some “Chrislamic” mess-up?

Lilou: That wouldn’t be Traditionalism at all. Traditionalism isn’t about fusion.

John: But how then can we create something new in a Traditionalist environment, or do you mean that there is something like “Progressive Traditionalism”?

Lilou: I don’t believe people in general are very Progressive but things have a tendency to come back. I mean 80s fashion has returned, even though I wish it never had. Nowadays people buy more traditional Christmas decorations and make more traditional Christmas food, not necessarily with a progressive touch to it, because I think many people like that link to the past. You and me, we don’t have a very positive connection to the past, but we take the best and the worst and put it all together in our music, which creates a mix of traditionalism and progressivism.

John: You suggest that all those post-modernists who pretend to be progressives and destroy every single European tradition they can find will flip 180 degrees and become Traditionalists, and that you and I are special because we are Progressives for real and Traditionalists at the same time?

Lilou: Ha ha that sounds pretentious but I believe that people with a positive past are more eager to re-live it than people like us are.

John: Ok, so to sum it all up: Traditionalism is winning and we will forever be Progressive-Traditionalist freaks.

Lilou: Yeah, you cannot change the past and therefore you cannot change the references associated with it unless you try to pretend everything was fine though it wasn’t.

John: So the key to being like us is to accept that your past was not paradise and therefore you understand that some things are worth keeping and some things are worth throwing away and you don’t turn into one of those fake progressives who want to turn everything into one big global sharia supermarket.

Lilou: Yeah, and you need to have had a crappy upbringing in the first place.

John: Does that mean that kids who learn that everything in life isn’t nice turn out to be better people, and that kids who grow up thinking they are special snowflakes become a burden both to themselves and others?

Lilou: I believe that one cannot appreciate the good things in life, if one is not aware that shitty things exist.

 

John starts talking about traditionalism and progressivism | Lilou says some really profound things | We learn why shit makes you stronger

John: There is no way going back to the country we grew up in I think. That is forever gone, isn’t it? But if we try to move on and think of what Europe could be like in the future, what do you see?

Lilou: What is it you want to get back from when we grew up, exactly, cause if it’s about feeling secure I don’t think it’s impossible at all?

John: I agree, but that is not what I meant. Not being robbed, thrown to jail for speaking the truth et cetera, those things can be fixed, I think so too. No, what I was thinking was that many people want “the old Sweden” restored in some way, while I was thinking, what kind of new popular culture, fashion, history, pretty much everything, can you see in the future?

Lilou: Why would anyone want to restore the old instead of taking inspiration from it and creating something new.

John: I totally agree, but there are plenty of people who seem to disagree and instead of being Progressive like us look backwards and try to restore some golden age instead. What are your predictions when it comes to for example the mix of old and new, say, traditions? Will Christmas change?

Lilou: It seems overall through the world there is a huge wave of traditionalism rising.

John: Yeah but how will it look? I mean will Christmas and Ramadan merge to some “Chrislamic” mess-up?

Lilou: That wouldn’t be Traditionalism at all. Traditionalism isn’t about fusion.

John: But how then can we create something new in a Traditionalist environment, or do you mean that there is something like “Progressive Traditionalism”?

Lilou: I don’t believe people in general are very Progressive but things have a tendency to come back. I mean 80s fashion has returned, even though I wish it never had. Nowadays people buy more traditional Christmas decorations and make more traditional Christmas food, not necessarily with a progressive touch to it, because I think many people like that link to the past. You and me, we don’t have a very positive connection to the past, but we take the best and the worst and put it all together in our music, which creates a mix of traditionalism and progressivism.

John: You suggest that all those post-modernists who pretend to be progressives and destroy every single European tradition they can find will flip 180 degrees and become Traditionalists, and that you and I are special because we are Progressives for real and Traditionalists at the same time?

Lilou: Ha ha that sounds pretentious but I believe that people with a positive past are more eager to re-live it than people like us are.

John: Ok, so to sum it all up: Traditionalism is winning and we will forever be Progressive-Traditionalist freaks.

Lilou: Yeah, you cannot change the past and therefore you cannot change the references associated with it unless you try to pretend everything was fine though it wasn’t.

John: So the key to being like us is to accept that your past was not paradise and therefore you understand that some things are worth keeping and some things are worth throwing away and you don’t turn into one of those fake progressives who want to turn everything into one big global sharia supermarket.

Lilou: Yeah, and you need to have had a crappy upbringing in the first place.

John: Does that mean that kids who learn that everything in life isn’t nice turn out to be better people, and that kids who grow up thinking they are special snowflakes become a burden both to themselves and others?

Lilou: I believe that one cannot appreciate the good things in life, if one is not aware that shitty things exist.